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The BNP’s election

Having been quite vocal about my views on the BNP over the past few weeks, it’s probably about time that I analysed their results.
First of all, the good news (from my perspective): they failed to win any seats, including key ones like Keighley where Nick Griffin, their leader, was standing – there, he came fourth behind the three main parties. He did, however, get 9.2% of the vote, which means he retains his deposit and means that over 4000 people felt him fit to represent them. While that still means that the vast majority of the people there don’t agree with him, it’s still a worringly high number.
Financially this election is going to cost them as well – while their tactic of fielding a lot of candidates gained them lots of free publicity, in 84 seats they failed to get the magical 5% that gets them their deposits back, putting a £42,000 dent in their finances.
Their best result was a 16.89% poll in East London where the candidate came third ahead of the LibDems, but they also did well in Dewsbury and kept their deposits in Rotherham and Rother Valley.
There was talk that this would be the BNP’s big breakthrough when they would get their first MP, but that thankfully hasn’t materialised. Still, nationally nearly 200,000 people – equivalent to the population of a small city – voted for them, which is not a good sign. It puts them as the 6th most popular party nationally, behind Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, UKIP and the Greens in that order.
The BNP, however, were not expecting to win all of their seats. Their real breakthrough will be next year, when they’ll be hoping that their increased profile will net them some more council seats in the local elections. It’s up to people like you and me to ensure that doesn’t happen.
The next chapter in the BNP saga will come in a little under 2 weeks on 19th May, when Nick Griffin and the BNP’s founder John Tyndall, will appear at Leeds Magistrates’ Court to hear if they will be sentenced for race hate crimes. It’s quite possible that Griffin will end up in prison for his actions.


  1. Despite your obvious bias towards them and passion to stopping them being elected, I found your article quite reasonable in it’s reporting aspect.
    However, I do wish you’d learn to get people’s names right. It’s JOHN Tyndall, and he’s no longer a Party member. Mark Collett is also up on the bizarre charges of Incitement to Racial Hatred (by saying asylum seekers are cockroaches, I believe). Firstly, this doesn’t identify a race, and secondly cockroach is hardly the worst insult they’ve ever had. But then this makes a mockery of the fre speech laws, doen’t it! If you can’t insult a person or their religious beliefs, there’s something desperately wrong with freedom of experession, and something very crooked about the law. Especially when MILLIONS of people dies to preserve it!
    Finally, I prefer to look on the bright side of the election, being a BNP member. We SAVED 33 deposits, doubled our 2001 vote, hammered UKIP in all but 11 seats, utterly trounced any left-winger we stood against, and effectively became Britain’s 4th biggest Party.
    When you speak of Nick Griffin not having the support of the vast majority of people in Keighley, you perhaps might want to consider that neither has Ann Cryer. She had some 20,720 votes. That meant that 25,592 others voted against her, and that’s not including the 23,000 or so that didn’t even vote. We can all twist statistics, can’t we matey?!
    Let’s hope you allow this to be posted, in your unbiased inpartial ways.
    Harry Shand,
    If you even bother to let this one be posted,

  2. Sorry, I was thinking of another Mark Tyndall. Corrected.
    As for being unbiased and inpartial: erm, yeah. This is my weblog and I therefore choose what goes on it, mostly. The internet is huge and therefore there’s plenty of space elsewhere for more impartial reporting – I never claimed to be politically unbiased here.
    I’ve let through almost all of the pro-BNP comments, actually – the fact that most of the comments shown are anti-BNP is because most of the comments received are anti-BNP.

  3. I imagine a lot of comments here would be anti-BNP. That doesn’t surprise me in the least, as most of us activits are out there interacting with the public and trying to explain to the often simplistic masses that what’s said about us is largely untrue and alarmist to say the least.
    I loathe being called names like “nazi”, “fascist” and “racist” when none of the words have any relevant meaning to our central theme and core policies.
    They’re merely words that can be attributed to someone you dislike who happens to have one policy that may remotely be similare to that of someone else’s policies who the media and the world at large considered to be “right-wing”. therefore you become pigeon-holed with little or no actual reality to it.
    I’m sure I could equally call you a communist, based on the fact that you obviously don’t support us and therefore automatically become the direct opposite of a Nationalist. This system of globalisation whereby people are boiled down into one melting pot of automatons and zombies is very communist. Since you support that I could quite justifiably call you one. But would you accept it? Getting the point yet?
    In any event, the arguments the globalisers and one-world loonies use against us are often so flawed they undo themselves eventually. But it’s just a shame the dumbed-down yellow-bellied masses believe it.
    It’s hard to account for large numbers of people who think Britain’s a safe and economically-sound country. When the economy collapses, house prices are even more than now, businesses go to the wall, no manufacturing industry exists and the country becomes no more than a service industry, and people live on a minimum-wage and can’t afford even the cheapest of things, the people will beg for change. But only if their TV’s get switched off for long enough for them to get out of bed.

  4. I read the BNP manifesto: “we reject the idea of multiculturalism” is racist in itself.

  5. I would just like to congratulate the BNP and all it’s candidates on their fantistic results this week. They are increasingly the only party worth voting for. Good luck for the future, you certainly have my vote.

  6. Mr Shand, I find some of the things you are saying a little exteme.
    If anything, the idea of a unicultural society would have the effect of people being “boiled down into one melting pot of automatons and zombies”. If we do not integrate other cultures, we are the ones who lose out. Are you telling me you’ve never eaten food that isn’t British? Are you telling me that you only listen to music by white British artists? I believe that the unique cultural mix of Bradford, Birmingham, Leicester and Britain as a whole makes the country as great as it is.
    I’m perfectly happy to be pigeon-holed as a socialist by the way. There are more than two categories in this world.

  7. I don’t think that people would ever want to see the BNP in power, but they are a closer to the concerns of ordinary people than the big parties are.
    While innane comments like yours, “It’s up to people like you and me to ensure that doesn’t happen.” Only mean that the BNP will continue to keep on winning.
    Not everyone thinks like you do, thank God.

  8. Define ‘ordinary people’. Does that mean those of ethnic minorities are not ‘ordinary’, that they’re some kind of second class citizen? And in any case, I’ve never seen a poll where people have ranked the parties’ performance on key issues where the BNP have come out top – any claims that they are the most in touch party are either BNP spin or merely anecdotal.
    The issue for which Griffin and Tyndall are up in court for, by the way, is inciting racial hatred. That’s not criticising someone’s race or religion, but inciting hatred against people. It would be a sad state of affairs if people were charged with criminal offences for criticising another person’s beliefs – I myself have reservations with most organised religions – but what these two have done goes far beyond that.

  9. Ordinary people means what used to be referred to as ‘the masses’ or what communists call ‘the working class’ or what others call ‘the people’. Ie. that great majority of individuals who collectively watch soap operas or buy frozen chips or read The Sun, etc.
    It is because they feel disenfrancised from the major parties that they are voting BNP. The BNP represents something. The left offers them nothing. Others are just not voting at all.
    Attempts to stop the BNP is not an answer. Because the question why still remains.
    As for the charge against the BNP leaders of incitement to racial hatred. I was under the impression that this came about as a result of a hidden camera taking footage inside a closed private meeting and not out in the street or at an open public meeting.
    Does this mean that people are no longer free to say what they wish, even to make the most vile racist comments, within the privacy of their own homes?

  10. and effectively became Britain’s 4th biggest Party.

    Can you qualify that by any chance? My understanding is that Sinn Féin, the UUP, the SDLP and the DUP all have larger representations in Parliament.

    On another point, in Ireland deposits were ruled unconstitutional. Now you just have to get a certain number of signatures to be able to run.

  11. I would also like to see the ‘4th biggest party’ claim quantified. There are 11 parties with MPs, the BNP has none so it is joint 12th with everyone else that doesn’t (Veritas, the Greens and UKIP amongst others) in that respect. In terms of numbers of votes, it is 6th; it has no MEPs and only a handful of local councillors.
    The Greens are the fourth biggest party, and I’m sure that UKIP are bigger than the BNP too.

  12. This is going to be a long post, folks. Beware.
    First of all, I shall answer the resident socialist (Muppetette) here:
    I think you miss the point here Muppetette. When I say automatons and mindless zombies, I meant a bunch of people all the same in attitude; practically indentured servitudal slaves, whereby they have no mind of their own, and if they did, they’d be arrested for using it. That’s what communism adheres to; and you support that?
    It has nothing to do with colour, as such. But since you and some people think we’re all one happy flowery bunch who have no differential issues of any kind, you must be severely visually challenged. If people were all the same, we wouldn’t require odious and oppressive race laws which are supposedly equal, when in reality there is provision in this supposed law of equality which states that they can openly discriminate in favour of minorities. That’s equal is it? Just goes to show some people are more equal than others in this society.
    Now since you like being pigeon-holed, I’ve met many of your kind (socialists) who blame poverty and social inequality for the high rates of crime. First off, there’s NO excuse for crime.
    It’s a mindset, not an excuse. Social crimes like burglary/robbery, violent crime, and drug abuse etc are not the sole preserve of the poor, actually. And if they were, it’s still no excuse to be that way. I have no criminal record to speak of, and I was on the dole for a couple of years in my youth. But I never took drugs nor robbed anybody, and I know dozens of others who didn’t.
    And funnily enough, I don’t eat a great deal of ‘foreign’ food simply because I don’t like most of them. But even if I had, is that really the best celebratory issue for multiculturalism?
    I phoned the Racial Equality council once and asked them (based on an advert they’d placed for a multicultural festival) what they thought had made multiculturalism so brilliant and that had enriched the lives of us ‘orrible Brits. And do you know what they said? Curry, rap music and friendly people in corner shops. No word of a lie. I asked them to write down five things which Britain could not possibly do without at any cost, and they couldn’t tell me those five things. Amazing how we managed for centuries without multiculturalism, only to be told now our lives are so enriched. I’ll tell you what it brings. Crime, drugs, disease, religious bigotry, and social disorder. There’s five things that have enriched our lives greatly! Only don’t tell me I’m “racist”. Come up with a better answer than name-calling if you would, please. It ruins genuine debate when the names start coming.
    And that same answer to Jonathan P. How old are you? Have you a mind of your own and able to see with your own eyes? If so, have the nous to read both sides of EVERY story, instead oif just accepting whatever’s told to you by the opinion-forming media and others with an axe to grind. I’ve challenged the UAF and the Labour Party to a full-on open and public debate about their records and the people they employ to go against us. Paedophiles, career-criminals, terrorist-sympathisers, and all sorts of low-lives. FACT!
    To David S’s first post.
    Believe it or not, David, I don’t want to see the BNP in power either. We’re nowhere near ready for it or capable of it right now. In terms of electoral strentgh, we’re a fairly new and definitely revamped Party with the chaff removed from the ranks. So we’re in a building stage, and each time we double our electoral strength, it’s one more step towards the position the Lib Dems were in before May 5th – with a handful of MP’s and several councils’s having the balance of power. As to the system of voting here, that’s another entirely separate debate I’ll engage in another time. I want to see PR come in, in line with the rest of Europe.
    However, electoral representation for the people that vote for us is what we want. And a PR system would allow that. I haven’t heard a decent argument against it as yet.
    Finally, to answer Neil’s last post about the 4th biggest Party:
    Yes, statistically, we’re the 4th biggest Party based on our votes and our positional results.
    In the vast majority of our 120 seats, we beat UKIP in something like 46 seats, losing to them in only 11; we beat the Greens in 26 seats, losing to them in only 6 seats, and in most cases, we doubled UKIP’s vote. Just because UKIP and the Greens have MEP’s, it means nothing in terms of electoral support NOW. We saved 34 deposits out of 120. UKIP saved 44 deposits out of 495. It speaks volumes about the fact that we’ve leap-frogged them all into 4th place.
    Finally, one has to also state that for every pound raised and spent, we’re far bigger than UKIP and the Greens. We had a budget of just about £130,000 or so. UKIP had MILLIONS. And we still hammered them everywhere except for 11 seats.
    ‘Nuff said.

  13. Oops, One more post required.
    Yes David S, what Nick Griffin and Mark Collett have alleged to have said in the main was little more than upsetting a few individuals when he said Islam was a ‘wicked eveil faith’. It was in a private meeting, and wouldn’t have even been known about had it not been for agent provocateurs from the BBC causing trouble for no reason other than mischief.
    Not only did they not identify another racial group (therefore where does the incitement to racial hatred come in to it, one might wonder) but to criticise another religion is entirely legal under the same law they brought in to try and stifle the issue altogether (the inciitment to religious hatred laws).
    As if it’s not ludicrous enough that laws are created to avoid offending people (poor lambs; whatever happened to “sticks and stones”), but when the law itself under which they are to be charged says you can openly criticise a religion or someone’s religious beliefs, it beggars bneliefe as to the validity of ther charges, not to mention the cost to the taxpayer. And is it really in the genuine interests of the public to make show-trials? As Rod Liddle quite rightly and jusitifiably said – “since no-one can answer what this law covers, it’s clear that this is nothing more than an anti-BNP law!”.
    And finally, thanks to “Robert” for the well-wishes and support. Onwards and upwards we go!

  14. Well to be honest Harry, I don’t think I could ever bring myself to vote for your party.
    I hope that any surge in support for the BNP acts as an alarm to the government on communities in crisis: rundown housing, crime on estates, disorder in communities, etc. regardless of colour or religion. I think everyone is still entitled to his or her opinion. But I think any growing support for the BNP is alot more complex than just racism or immigration.

  15. Thanks for your post, David.
    I thank you for your sincerity and your honesty in that you see deeper than the surface, which the media only ever seem to want to see.
    Voting/supporting BNP IS a complex issue, for sure. I know that we are best known for our policies regarding repatriation and asylum etc, but peoople seem to forget we have a whole range of policies, and they also never account for our individuality.
    By that, I mean the same people who tell us we’re meant to be tolerant and neighbourly are the same people first to jump on our backs in a bi to ostracise us – usually without knowing anything about us as individuals. Take our candidate in North Warickshire, Michaela Mackenzie. She’s 52 years old (looks younger) and is a manager of a national publishing company, and formerly a worker for the BBC. She’s a life-long supporter of traditional Labour values and was even a strong union supporter. Is this a “racist”, “fascist”, “nazi” hater etc etc etc?
    Immigration does have a detrimental effect on all aspects of social policy, such as crime, housing, jobs, environmental issues, the wider economy, and health. It’s not a blame-game. Though you’d think so listening to the media, who in turn imbue the already-biased people against us even more by scare-mongering that we’re something we’re not. That then shows the true colours of supposed democracy and freedom by the media and the establishment.
    But either way, I admire your sincerity in what you say and appreciate you not stooping to the low depths of name-calling and insulting.
    One small piece of sweet justice I can console myself from this election is that we helped to unseat Ann Cryer’s son in Hornchurch. I guess he’s going to find out what it’s like to be unemployed for a few weeks now. One can hope!
    Famously, it was Ann Cryer who accused us of “parachuting” our Chairman into Keighley to stand against her, when she seems to forget real soon how her son, naturally of Yorkshire, was parachuted into Hornchurch, Essex. Those who live in glass houses………..

  16. Just another quickie I forgot to mention….
    I spoke to Ian Collins on TalkSport radio a few months back when he hosted the late-night show at the weekend. He was talking about single-issue parties and mentioned us. I asked him if it was us (BNP) who were so obsessive about immigration etc, could he tell me anything about our education policy, or our policies on green issues. When he paused and asked what my point was (cautiously) I said, he couldn’t say a damn thing about them because no journalist has ever asked us about them. All they’re interested in is immigration/race etc.
    When Jeremy Vine recently asked Nick Griffin to appear on his radio show, he told him he’d ask about policies, about the election etc. He then turned Paxman-esque and repeatedly asked what would our Chairman do is his daughter married or engaged with someone who wasn’t white.
    Who REALLY is obseesed with the single-issue?
    Us or the media?
    ‘Nuff said.

  17. Mr Shand,
    I don’t think we are a ‘happy flowery bunch’. We are all different, but that difference is not solely based on the colour of our skin, our mother tongue, our origins or our culture, and if anything, difference is something to be celebrated, not feared.
    I’m sure you have met plenty of ‘my kind’, but at what point did I mention crime, let alone express an opinion on it? My views on crime are not what you would assume. I happen to have met many of ‘your kind’ (that is, BNP supporters) who are profoundly racist. It does not mean I am stereotyping you. Contrary to what you believe, I did not once use the word ‘racist’.
    Multiculturalism is by no means a modern phenomenon. One positive aspect of multiculturalism comes from the Romans, who brought us drainage. Without that, we would be surrounded by diseases, cholera, typhoid etc, truly devastating diseases. Democracy came from Ancient Greece – without it people like you and I wouldn’t be able to express our opinions in this way; we would not even be having this discussion.
    We have borrowed or stolen things from other cultures for thousand of years. We need them and they need us. I know Britain is an island, but there’s no excuse for an insular attitude.